Comments on: Beware of rotten apples http://sellmic.com/blog/2007/10/28/beware-of-rotten-apples/ Augusto's corner of art, code and fun Thu, 02 Feb 2012 11:32:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: RichardatDELL http://sellmic.com/blog/2007/10/28/beware-of-rotten-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-994 RichardatDELL Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:13:03 +0000 http://sellmic.com/blog/2007/10/28/beware-of-rotten-apples/#comment-994 Interesting commentary and divergence of opinion related to software development and Java applications. Really appreciate hearing the perspective from folks developing different applications. By the way, on the issue of standard corporate Dell stuff you see, think its fair to note that we are undergoing some changes....especially if you look at some of the new XPS products. Zdnet said last week Dell was showing some design chops....and more to come with more new products. In the meantime, that is not going to change whether Apple makes code available or not for Java apps....and we enjoy following what you and your audience have to say about things Interesting commentary and divergence of opinion related to software development and Java applications. Really appreciate hearing the perspective from folks developing different applications.

By the way, on the issue of standard corporate Dell stuff you see, think its fair to note that we are undergoing some changes….especially if you look at some of the new XPS products. Zdnet said last week Dell was showing some design chops….and more to come with more new products.

In the meantime, that is not going to change whether Apple makes code available or not for Java apps….and we enjoy following what you and your audience have to say about things

]]> By: David http://sellmic.com/blog/2007/10/28/beware-of-rotten-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-990 David Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:01:09 +0000 http://sellmic.com/blog/2007/10/28/beware-of-rotten-apples/#comment-990 As a brand new switcher and java developer I must agree with everything you say. Apple's lack of communication is just bizarre. I stupidly upgraded to leopard wholly unaware that it would *break* existing jdk6 beta installations. It's just amazing Apple wouldn't alert developers to this issue or give any sort of roadmap for when to expect a new release. For those of us who depend on jdk6 this makes leopard useless for developing. I'm now using the windows partition for developing (used to be for games) and am crossing my fingers Apple will bless us with a modern JVM someday soon. All apple needs to do is inform us developers through the ADP and most of us would be happy. But instead, they just harm their own reputation by NOT communicating. For example, what is all that bullshit with the iPhone only supporting safari web applications when all along they are working on the public API. Why not just inform the developers that it's coming??!! So far, the OS is pretty cool but the way apple runs things and treats 3rd party developers leaves a very bitter taste. As a brand new switcher and java developer I must agree with everything you say. Apple's lack of communication is just bizarre. I stupidly upgraded to leopard wholly unaware that it would *break* existing jdk6 beta installations. It's just amazing Apple wouldn't alert developers to this issue or give any sort of roadmap for when to expect a new release.

For those of us who depend on jdk6 this makes leopard useless for developing. I'm now using the windows partition for developing (used to be for games) and am crossing my fingers Apple will bless us with a modern JVM someday soon.

All apple needs to do is inform us developers through the ADP and most of us would be happy. But instead, they just harm their own reputation by NOT communicating. For example, what is all that bullshit with the iPhone only supporting safari web applications when all along they are working on the public API. Why not just inform the developers that it's coming??!!

So far, the OS is pretty cool but the way apple runs things and treats 3rd party developers leaves a very bitter taste.

]]> By: Carlos Rivera http://sellmic.com/blog/2007/10/28/beware-of-rotten-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-987 Carlos Rivera Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:13:45 +0000 http://sellmic.com/blog/2007/10/28/beware-of-rotten-apples/#comment-987 "Why would they be developing apps for the Mac when it has so little marketplace?" Not sure, I guess the same reason why they bought the hardware :P Ohh boy! Here comes the bullying cartoonist!!! "Why would they be developing apps for the Mac when it has so little marketplace?"

Not sure, I guess the same reason why they bought the hardware :P

Ohh boy! Here comes the bullying cartoonist!!!

]]> By: Augusto http://sellmic.com/blog/2007/10/28/beware-of-rotten-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-985 Augusto Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:47:49 +0000 http://sellmic.com/blog/2007/10/28/beware-of-rotten-apples/#comment-985 I believe most Java developers on Mac are not creating Mac applications, they're just using it as a "nice" environment to work in. I think this is similar to creative professionals using Macs for print and video advertising. Nobody cares about showing these ads on Macs, but on magazines and TVs. Why would they be developing apps for the Mac when it has so little marketplace? I have another idea ... why doesn't Apple make it clear what their plan is with regards to Java support. People were pretty content before using other platforms for Java development, but Apple tried to court Java developers to their camp. Now that they have a fair share of them, they tease them with longish beta periods and don't tell them when and if these releases are to be done. I don't believe Sun should do these ports, and I think they don't do them because that's how Apple wanted it. The best outcome would be to have a Java version created by the community, it wouldn't hurt if Apple donated some of the code they have already. I banned your earlier posts because they were completely off topic. Don't worry, more cartoons of you (Carlos is the bald guy you see all over the site) will be coming. I believe most Java developers on Mac are not creating Mac applications, they're just using it as a "nice" environment to work in. I think this is similar to creative professionals using Macs for print and video advertising. Nobody cares about showing these ads on Macs, but on magazines and TVs.

Why would they be developing apps for the Mac when it has so little marketplace?

I have another idea … why doesn't Apple make it clear what their plan is with regards to Java support. People were pretty content before using other platforms for Java development, but Apple tried to court Java developers to their camp. Now that they have a fair share of them, they tease them with longish beta periods and don't tell them when and if these releases are to be done.

I don't believe Sun should do these ports, and I think they don't do them because that's how Apple wanted it. The best outcome would be to have a Java version created by the community, it wouldn't hurt if Apple donated some of the code they have already.

I banned your earlier posts because they were completely off topic. Don't worry, more cartoons of you (Carlos is the bald guy you see all over the site) will be coming.

]]> By: Los http://sellmic.com/blog/2007/10/28/beware-of-rotten-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-983 Los Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:47:04 +0000 http://sellmic.com/blog/2007/10/28/beware-of-rotten-apples/#comment-983 I have an idea.... How about Sun doing the work. There is not that much interest to use Java in OS X. Why? Probably because of the performance baggage that Java carries. I am not saying that it is not fast now, especially in the 6 release, but who will want to write Java vs Objective-C desktop app for the Mac (Note that I said "for the Mac"). has anybody seen how much memory a simple app uses, regardless of OS? Other issue is that it is obvious that Apple is not targeting the corporate environment because otherwise they would be updating their WebObjects environment. That is where Java is flourishing, not in the deskop. In conclusion.... If developers want to have the latest and greatest version of java maybe they should start clamoring to Sun, not Apple. Otherwise, start using Windows and their clone, Gnome(Linux). Also the Java releases are not tied to OS X upgrades. I might be wrong, but I believe that I got my 1.5 when I already had 1.4 in the 10.4 release. Come on Augusto, you can leave the comments that I put, don't censor me. After all I have not denounced you of slander beause of the caricature that you made of me( when you know very well that you taken many things from my office and don't get returned) I have an idea…. How about Sun doing the work. There is not that much interest to use Java in OS X. Why? Probably because of the performance baggage that Java carries. I am not saying that it is not fast now, especially in the 6 release, but who will want to write Java vs Objective-C desktop app for the Mac (Note that I said "for the Mac"). has anybody seen how much memory a simple app uses, regardless of OS? Other issue is that it is obvious that Apple is not targeting the corporate environment because otherwise they would be updating their WebObjects environment. That is where Java is flourishing, not in the deskop. In conclusion…. If developers want to have the latest and greatest version of java maybe they should start clamoring to Sun, not Apple. Otherwise, start using Windows and their clone, Gnome(Linux).

Also the Java releases are not tied to OS X upgrades. I might be wrong, but I believe that I got my 1.5 when I already had 1.4 in the 10.4 release.

Come on Augusto, you can leave the comments that I put, don't censor me. After all I have not denounced you of slander beause of the caricature that you made of me( when you know very well that you taken many things from my office and don't get returned)

]]> By: Augusto http://sellmic.com/blog/2007/10/28/beware-of-rotten-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-980 Augusto Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:29:32 +0000 http://sellmic.com/blog/2007/10/28/beware-of-rotten-apples/#comment-980 I don't think it's a bad idea to wait, it might turn out that Java 6 support comes out soon. One of the main problems I see is the lack of communication from Apple. It's just not acceptable. I also see some people saying "so what" to that, and I have a problem with that. Companies should communicate well with their customers, and if they don't plan on supporting these versions of Java any time soon, they should say so. I don't think it's a bad idea to wait, it might turn out that Java 6 support comes out soon. One of the main problems I see is the lack of communication from Apple. It's just not acceptable.

I also see some people saying "so what" to that, and I have a problem with that. Companies should communicate well with their customers, and if they don't plan on supporting these versions of Java any time soon, they should say so.

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